tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1132369819938174452.post2022646237553138756..comments2023-11-18T02:38:16.391+08:00Comments on So long, and thanks for all the guilt!: The Late Great Planet Earth...is still here Hal!Why I Don't Believehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00023274729498444974noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1132369819938174452.post-67217070430257767252012-09-24T15:27:02.365+08:002012-09-24T15:27:02.365+08:00Tom said...
I read the book last year and since re...Tom said...<br />I read the book last year and since reading it have seen the prophecies becoming more possible. I came here to see the 'failed' prophecies of the book. In the summary you give I don't see any 'failed' prophecies. Some noteworthy things...<br />-1988?-Since Hal mentions 40 years is 'generally' how long a biblical generation is(he made no conclusion), I wouldn't say the book predicts the world will end in 1988, but that Jesus would return within the lifespan of Jews alive before 1948. Even so, time is running short as those people are in their 60's.<br />-African/Arab Alliance-this really seems to be happening at a feverish pitch in Northern Africa this year. Plus they all really hate Israel.<br />I think its important to notice when Lindsey says "I think/believe this will happen" and when Lindsey says "the Bible says this will happen". He points out when he is personally extrapolating and when he is strictly interpreting the scriptures.<br />A lot of what has been made of "failed" prophecy merely has to do with changes to names of the USSR and Iron Curtain. Which are just the names those regions were called. Those regions can still fulfill their prophetic role without proving Lindsey wrong, at least in my opinion.<br />The thing that struck me was that everything happening in the world right now plays to these prophecies coming to fruition and not getting 'less true'. I think the prophecies discussed in the late great planet earth can still all come true in the next decade or two...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1132369819938174452.post-82987308748137870642007-02-27T19:11:00.000+08:002007-02-27T19:11:00.000+08:00I met Alan Rhology on my blog also. It didn't take...I met Alan Rhology on my blog also. It didn't take him long to get dorogatory and patronizing. What a complete git.mothpetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13794245127293355300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1132369819938174452.post-27622010899025793802007-02-18T11:29:00.000+08:002007-02-18T11:29:00.000+08:00I've never met Rhology (the poster above) but as y...I've never met Rhology (the poster above) but as you can see he started to get a little personal in the posts above. His last post (which I have deleted) went way too far and got quite personal and insulting. from this point forward I will not publish his comments.Why I Don't Believehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00023274729498444974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1132369819938174452.post-9939924930029654402007-02-17T21:37:00.000+08:002007-02-17T21:37:00.000+08:00Yu wrote:Apocalyptohysteria is a feature of human ...Yu wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>Apocalyptohysteria is a feature of human nature and pops up all the time. But to relate it ONLY to Christians? Please - it is present in other religions as well, and it is present in your own.</I><BR/><BR/>You keep putting words in my mouth and then arguing with yourself. I <B>never</B> said Apocalypticism is soley a Christian phenomenon. What I said was "Apolcalypticists have been around since the church's conception and pop up all the time."<BR/><BR/><I>You are obviously not a student of Scripture and its context, which again, I don't expect you to be.</I><BR/><BR/>Now play nice. I have a dogmatic Evangelical Bible College degree and a secular university religion post grad degree. I don't read koine Greek anymore, but I know what 'soon' and 'shortly' mean.<BR/><BR/><I>But it does tell me alot about you by the company you keep. </I><BR/><BR/>None of them have ever quite been as rude to me as you have been. Perhaps you should go to your dictionary and look up 'tact' and 'gentleness'. They might help your cause.<BR/><BR/>CiaoWhy I Don't Believehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00023274729498444974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1132369819938174452.post-8897701171983703652007-02-17T00:16:00.000+08:002007-02-17T00:16:00.000+08:00Hi Troy,I'm sure you can understand my desire not ...Hi Troy,<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you can understand my desire not to be lumped in as like-minded w/ everyone who calls themselves by the same name I do.<BR/>Not too long ago I was discussing evolution w/ an evolutionist and he refused, flat-out refused, to deal w/ anythg that Daniel Dennett or R Dawkins said. I would imagine there are more than a few atheists in world history w/ whom you would not take kindly to being identified. So if you look at it that way, it might become clearer to you why I reject such an identification.<BR/><BR/>But I agree w/ you - Apocalyptohysteria is a feature of human nature and pops up all the time. But to relate it ONLY to Christians? Please - it is present in other religions as well, and it is present in your own. I refer to the constant drumbeat that humanity will destroy itself (ie, Apocalypse) in the form of nature-lovers and greenies. "Global cooling will kill nearly everyone in an upcoming Ice Age!" (circa 1983). "Global warming will kill everyone via global flooding and mayhem!" (circa 2000) <BR/>So yeah, it's present everywhere. To be fair, you should write your next post about Al Gore's 'documentary'. Not that I expect you to, but it's just a suggestion.<BR/><BR/>As for "soon," I expect it to take its meaning from the context. You are obviously not a student of Scripture and its context, which again, I don't expect you to be. But when you start spouting off like you know what "soon" and "shortly" in those psgs mean, it would behoove you to do at least a little study (or at least, more than Babinski did). <BR/><BR/>--I too am a poster on Debunking Christianity <BR/>>>Yeah, I saw that after I went over there and after I posted that last comment. Oops. ;-) But it does tell me alot about you by the company you keep. And the fact that you're happy to be associated w/ them...that's a shame. But OK.<BR/>Doesn't mean I'll stop coming here or commenting. It just lowers my expectations.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>ALANRhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1132369819938174452.post-74986691978972150222007-02-16T12:03:00.000+08:002007-02-16T12:03:00.000+08:00When I said, 'your church' I meant the Church hist...When I said, 'your church' I meant the Church historical and universal, not your local parish. What I mean by that is that Apolcalypticists have been around since the church's conception and pop up all the time.<BR/><BR/>Only in terms of the return of Christ does the word 'soon' take on a new meaning for Christians. To the rest of us (and to Christians in other areans of topic), 'soon' doesn't mean 'two millenia and then some' later. It means, 'soon'.<BR/><BR/>I too am a poster on Debunking Christianity and most of my posts there are also posted here. :) I am happy to be associated with them. Now that you know the ilk of my associates, perhaps you won't want to read by blog anymmore. :( Oh well, your loss. ;P<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for stopping by.Why I Don't Believehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00023274729498444974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1132369819938174452.post-63054899919794533952007-02-16T02:29:00.000+08:002007-02-16T02:29:00.000+08:00Hi Troy,I can see why you might think that Hal and...Hi Troy,<BR/><BR/>I can see why you might think that Hal and his buds would be somehow "an aspect of my church" but I assure you that neither I nor pretty much anyone in my local church have an opinion of him substantially different than what I wrote in my earlier post. Not everyone is taken in by end-times hysteria, just FYI.<BR/><BR/>That article from Babinski is telling for several reasons. First, it is written by Ed Babinski, he of Debunking Christianity. That blog is a mishmash of amazingly ill-thought-out attacks on Christianity, and he is a proud contributor along w/ the verbose John Loftus. Anyway, you who are trying to run a blog against Christian teaching might want to be careful about associating yourself w/ people who are so easily refuted.<BR/>Second, the entire premise of the article is basically a complaint that Jesus hasn't returned soon enough for Mr. Babinski. "Soon" and "shortly" and things like that are taken according to HIS meanings and HIS ideas, absent an explanation of why I should lend any credibility to HIS ideas. <BR/>And then when presented w/ a defeater, an explanation for why Jesus is "slow" to return, in the form of an explanation from Jesus' own best friend the Apostle Peter, Babinski resorts to lame backhands as:<BR/><BR/>"That such an attempt was made at all in a late-dated letter that someone chose to compose in the name of an apostle, demonstrates to what lengths the church felt it had to resort in order to save face."<BR/><BR/>"Such a late attempt to make excuses for Jesus' delay is an obvious failure. It makes a mockery of all the clear predictions made by earlier authors in the New Testament."<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I guess I was expecting a little bit better than that for someone who purports to have had good reasons to leave the faith.<BR/><BR/>Good talking to you!<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>ALANRhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1132369819938174452.post-83631678342445914972007-02-14T20:44:00.000+08:002007-02-14T20:44:00.000+08:00AlanThanks for dropping by my blog.I realise that ...Alan<BR/><BR/>Thanks for dropping by my blog.<BR/><BR/>I realise that Xianity is a large body of people with various beliefs. I am simply taking pot shots at aspects that I once knew. Lindsey wasn't such a big shot around my Xian stomping grounds but his end-times evangelist clones were. Barry Smith was a big name in Australian Pentecostal circles. I moved out of that shit into more mainstream Evangelical circles where End-times evangelists wouldn't have been welcome. All the same, it is IS an aspect of your church. :)<BR/><BR/>Actually, it is an ancient and ongoing aspect of your church. The Apostles, the early church and then numerous people in various times throughout Church history all taught Jesus was coming back in their lifetime. Even Jesus himself got it wrong! I have a link to an article on my blog which gives a good overview of the supposed 1st centrury beliefs. http://whyidontbelieve.blogspot.com/2007/01/lowdown-on-gods-showdown.htmlWhy I Don't Believehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00023274729498444974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1132369819938174452.post-63430698993555319802007-02-14T12:19:00.000+08:002007-02-14T12:19:00.000+08:00Hi Troy,Not sure if you're interested in hearing w...Hi Troy,<BR/><BR/>Not sure if you're interested in hearing what a Xtian has to say about Hal Lindsey, but what the hey!<BR/>Hal Lindsey = false prophet. <BR/>And as far as anyone who takes the Bible seriously should care, that's the end of the discussion. He is not worth listening to. He is no spokesman for anything I care about. <BR/><BR/>And to be clear; once he predicted when Jesus would return, he ran completely out of any credibility. The fact that Jesus didn't return when Hal said so is more or less moot - nobody knows when Jesus will return.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, it makes me hope you're just putting Hal L's book up here to 1) poke fun at idiots who don't listen to the Bible or reason and so get taken in by stupid fads and/or 2) fill space b/c maybe you didn't have a better idea that day. It certainly doesn't do anythg to strike some kind of blow against Christian belief.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>ALANRhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.com